Godt nyt til alle - moralen (her respekt og venlighed) er ikke i forfald

Her er godt nyt til alle - moralen er ikke i forfald - i hvertfald ikke i de sidste 70 år.

Faktisk kan det ikke udelukkes, at moralen er blevet bedre.

Hvorfor mennesker mener, at moralen er i forfald skyldes BEAM (Biased Exposure and Memory). (se artikelomtaler og artikel) Faktisk mener de fleste mennesker fald i respekt og venlighed - når de omtaler moralsk forfald.

Hvorfor er det interessant for radioamatører? Det er det fordi, de "de sure gamle mænd" ikke mere behøver at være "sure". Og ternede skjorter - og "snavsede" skjorter er også godt. Alt var ikke bedre "i gamle dage" - det var stort set ligesågodt moralmæssigt.

Hvis alle læser undersøgelsen, kan det være vi alle bliver gladere mennesker? Jeg er spændt hvad I synes om den tese. (PS min anekdotiske observation: Jeg synes ikke at have talt med eller mødt sure gamle mænd - heller ikke som radioamatører. De fleste var faktisk glade incl. radioamatørerne.)

Skriv venligst om I bliver gladere mennesker, når I har læst artiklen? - så bliver verden måske et bedre sted at leve I? Så kommer alle radioamatører til at pudse glorien - måske breder den positive stemning sig i og til hele verden (incl. Danmark)?

Hvis I skulle tage jer selv i at være sure, fordi I kortvarigt synes at alt var bedre i gamle dage, så genlæs artiklen - og I burde blive glade igen.

Ifølge denne undersøgelse, er moralen ikke i forfald - det er en illusion at den er i forfald:


Artikelomtale på dansk:

27. aug. 2023, Nyt studie: Illusion, at moralen er i forfald.
Der er sket et skred siden de gode gamle dage, ikke? Forkert, mener to amerikanske forskere, der mener at kunne påvise, at ’moralens forfald’ er en illusion. Danske forskere er dog kritiske over for det nye studie.
https://videnskab.dk/kultur-samfund/er-verden-al ligevel-ikke-af-lave/
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https://web.archive.org/web/20230827124058/https ://videnskab.dk/kultur-samfund/er-verden -alligevel-ikke-af-lave/
Citat: "...
Udtrykkene er mange, men de beskriver alle sammen den samme opfattelse: Det hele var meget bedre ’før i tiden’. Vi kender nok alle følelsen, og ellers kender vi nogen, der har den.

Men var det hele egentlig bedre ’før i tiden’? Det satte to amerikanske forskere sig for at undersøge. Og de er kommet frem til, at det sandsynligvis er en illusion: En række psykologiske mekanismer, som bunder i forudindtagethed, er med til at forvrænge vores oplevelse af fortiden:
»Folk tror, folk er mindre rare, end de plejede at være. De tager sandsynligvis fejl, og vi har en idé om, hvor denne illusion kommer fra,« skriver Adam Mastroianni, en af studiets to forfattere, på sin Twitter-profil.
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Den definition er dog slet ikke skarp nok, mener Hans Fink, professor emeritus i filosofi ved Aarhus Universitet:
»Jeg er ikke voldsomt uenig med konklusionerne...
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Anden artikelomtale:

June 14, 2023, The Harvard Gazette: ‘Moral breakdown is a fake problem’.
And guess what? It’s not just your grandpa who needs a dose of reality.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/06/m oral-breakdown-is-a-fake-problem/
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In a paper published this month in Nature, Mastroianni, now a postdoctoral research scholar at Columbia Business School, channels that frustration into a rebuff. The experimental psychologist not only provides evidence that kindness, honesty, and civility are stable or have perhaps even increased in recent decades, he also marries two well-established concepts to explain why the illusion of moral decline persists.
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In the study’s second phase, the researchers asked whether everybody is right about everybody else. Is pro-social behavior really plummeting? An obvious retort comes from Johnstone Family Professor of Psychology Steven Pinker, whose work has shown steadily declining rates of war, genocide, child abuse, and other forms violence over the past 2,000 years. “However, that isn’t what we found people mean when they say morality is declining,” Mastroianni noted. “What they really mean is things like respect and kindness.”
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The other phenomenon, biased memory, pertains to the way recollections fade over time. “Say you got turned down for prom,” Mastroianni said. “That was probably a pretty terrible experience at the time, but looking back, maybe it’s funny. If you had a great prom, that memory is probably still pretty good. Both bad and good fade, but bad fades faster.”
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The research project, which was also his dissertation, underscores the political danger of romanticizing the past.
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[Konklusion:]
“There are many real problems facing society today,” Mastroianni concluded. “Fortunately, moral breakdown is a fake problem, and we don’t need to spend any resources on it.”
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Artiklen ser ud til at være skrevet af to glade mænd?:

Mads:
https://www.adammastroianni.com/

Daniel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Gilbert_(ps ychologist)


Artiklen er på engelsk og med "Open Access" så alle kan læse den (ingen betaling eller registrering er nødvendig):

Nature volume 618, pages 782–789 (2023), The illusion of moral decline:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06137 -x
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https://web.archive.org/web/20230824173839/https ://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06 137-x
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Abstract

Anecdotal evidence indicates that people believe that morality is declining1,2. In a series of studies using both archival and original data (n=12,492,983), we show that people in at least 60 nations around the world believe that morality is declining, that they have believed this for at least 70 years and that they attribute this decline both to the decreasing morality of individuals as they age and to the decreasing morality of successive generations.
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Next, we show that people’s reports of the morality of their contemporaries have not declined over time, suggesting that the perception of moral decline is an illusion.
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Finally, we show how a simple mechanism based on two well-established psychological phenomena ([BEAM] biased exposure to information and biased memory for information) can produce an illusion of moral decline, and we report studies that confirm two of its predictions about the circumstances under which the perception of moral decline is attenuated, eliminated or reversed (that is, when respondents are asked about the morality of people they know well or people who lived before the respondent was born).
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Together, our studies show that the perception of moral decline is pervasive, perdurable, unfounded and easily produced. This illusion has implications for research on the misallocation of scarce resources3, the underuse of social support4 and social influence5.
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Hvorfor er denne artikel relevant i dette forum? Det er det fordi frasen "de sure gamle mænd" igen og igen bliver nævnt:

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Trådstarter: OZ5ENO Shane Eno.
22/01-12, De sure gamle mænd:
https://ham.brugtgrej.dk/forum.php?mode=thread&o bj=21364

Trådstarter: OZ5ENO Shane Eno.
06/08-15, Stop de sure gamle mænd:
https://ham.brugtgrej.dk/forum.php?mode=thread&o bj=52522

#3, 14/06-22, OZ1OXQ.
https://ham.brugtgrej.dk/forum.php?mode=thread&o bj=92530

#7, 15/11-19, Jørgen Kragh:
#9, 16/11-19, Deleted user:
https://ham.brugtgrej.dk/forum.php?mode=thread&o bj=78866

#4, 02/02-18, L højrup:
https://ham.brugtgrej.dk/forum.php?mode=thread&o bj=69434

#30, 26/12-14, Max Lyreskov:
https://ham.brugtgrej.dk/forum.php?mode=thread&o bj=46170

#9, 13/01-12, Deleted user:
https://ham.brugtgrej.dk/forum.php?mode=thread&o bj=20944

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Svar til #1:

Få dig et liv.

Svar til #2:
Nå da da.
Så er Max på banen igen.

Ja, så er begge fjolser her jo :-)

Svar til #3:

Tror du tager fejl af mig og en anden med et andet efternavn.

Svar til #4:

Godt at du kan se i er nogle fjolser. :-)

Svar til #1:
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB

Svar til #7:

Het enig.